Conversations with Bin Shi

Investors should stay invested. The A-share market has, overall, done very well and some of the sectors have done even better.

If you look at the overall market, valuations are just above the 10-year historical average so from that perspective it is not so overheated.

In the A-share market you are either hot or not. Some sectors are very hot, but other sectors did not participate as much. We believe we can still find long-term opportunities in those other not so hot sectors. So we are actively deploying our money into the A-share market at this point.

Source: Note: Mutual funds include special accounts and exclude accounts of insurers, social security funds and annuities. Trust investment does not include investment by privately offered funds through trusts. Brokers include proprietary trading and active asset management. Source: Corporate filings, SSE, Asset Management Association of China, CBIRC, National Council for Social Security Fund, Securities Association of China, Ministry of Human Resources and Social Security, PBoC, CSRC, Wind Info, CICC Research, August 2020

We have held the view that the US-China rivalry is not going away in a hurry, even if the incoming Biden administration might be more measured in dealing with such confrontational issues.

The key difference now is that the president's governing philosophy is different, and there will be differences in style and specific measures.

China is catching up very quickly, and it is expected that US measures against China will continue, but they will perhaps not be as extreme as those imposed on Huawei.

The reason is that, in the long run, harsh measures from the US will force China to actively develop its own technologies so that it can be independent.
And when that happens, the US will not only lose a huge market, but also create a strong competitor.

A more pragmatic approach for the two sides is "Coopetition" which means to cooperate and compete at the same time.

We believe our predominant exposure to long term, domestic themes should hold us in good stead.

These areas include China’s rebalancing into services and consumption, increasing share of discretionary spending and premiumization, and increasing spending on R&D and technology leading to innovations.

There has been some impact, but not too much. The Chinese A-share market is driven by domestic investors and domestic liquidity and global investors’ participation is, at this point, still comparatively small.

US moves to limit investment in some specific companies has had some impact, but that vacuum has been quickly filled by domestic investors.

With regard to ADR relisting in Hong Kong, I think they should continue to be listed in the US because they have benefited from the deep pools of money there and have also benefited US investors too since they have performed extremely well.

The size of the opportunity for Hong Kong depends on how they are treated in the US. If the US regulators can reconcile the difference in accounting standards, I think they (ADRs) will continue to be listed there and potentially seek a secondary listing in Hong Kong, which is fine.

This will benefit investors because at this point I own both ADRs and secondary listed Hong Kong names, and I like the fact I can choose between the liquid market in the US and Hong Kong listings, which trade in my timezone.

This allows me to put ideas to work right away, instead of waiting for the US market to open. The ideal situation is to have a primary listing in the US and a secondary listing in Hong Kong and then let investors pick and choose whichever they prefer.

We will have to wait and see though. If Chinese companies are treated badly in the US and get unfair treatment, it is possible they will move their primary listing to Hong Kong, which has the potential to benefit local investors here tremendously.

Definitely yes. You can’t just focus on isolated incidents like Ant Financial. A-shares are still not perfect, but neither are other markets. I believe the A-share market is still a good market in which to make money and generate a return.

On antitrust legislation, actually it was announced many years ago. What we are seeing now is stronger enforcement, which may have surprised people.

The reason behind it is that the internet platform companies are becoming very large indeed and their strategies can have major impacts on the whole country. As such, I believe there is a need for stronger enforcement of antitrust regulations.

When the Chinese government says something, they really mean it.

For the carbon neutral targets, I think they have done a lot of calculations and work behind the scenes to make sure that this is something they can live up to.

So I think they are very serious about this target and this most likely means more support for electric vehicles and renewable energy.

2020 has been an extremely active year for IPOs in the China equities space and we actively participated in many of them.

Structural changes in China have driven the new rounds of IPOs, with many new companies with new business models coming to market. We find many of these newly-IPO’d companies attractive from a long-term investment perspective.

We think 2021 will continue to be an active year in terms of new companies coming to market in China. Many of these companies used private equity funding to develop their business, but now they are mature enough to become public companies.